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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 11:32:04 +0200
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Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
A surprising oddity in Germany, at least for me as a Dutch person, is how they here think you MUST change into weird looking sports gear before you step on a bicycle. It's a weird cult, IMHO ;)
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 11:34:42 +0200
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alternative_be✅🖖🏻
alternative_be@todon.nl
@jwildeboer
Pretty much the same happens in Belgium.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 11:36:21 +0200
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Feth ⚛🔰
ffeth@mastodon.gougere.fr
@jwildeboer
It's part of the «bicycle is not for everyone» culture, and allows for not bothering for bicycle as a mean of transportation.
Same in France.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 12:15:13 +0200
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Ulrich
lakoja@freiburg.social
@jwildeboer
Do they use sports gear when doing sport in The Netherlands?
Normal people don't wear something different when cycling. 🙂
It's the same in Germany.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 12:37:39 +0200
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Paul
Paul@social.lightlyseared.online
@jwildeboer
I find that the Belgians are a lot like that as well.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 13:12:39 +0200
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Berg Am Laimerin
bergamlaimerin@muenchen.social
@jwildeboer
The MAMIL ratio might be different on route and time of day, but I can't say that they are the largest part of fellow cyclists I met in Munich
#BergAmLaim
or surrounding districts.
Since bike routes are sometimes rather bad, I understand everybody who uses a bike with wide tires, wide handle bars and shock absorbers.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 13:20:36 +0200
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betabug... Sascha Welter
betabug@mastodon.sdf.org
@jwildeboer
If I sit on my bike to do actual sports (riding multiple hours), I find sports clothing to be really practical. If I just roll down to the cafe, I *might* slap on sun glasses for the way and that's it.
But then I'm not in Germany
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 15:01:27 +0200
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FediThing
FediThing@tech.lgbt
@jwildeboer
Wasn't there a similar thing for cars when they were new, in the early 1900s? People had special clothes for driving, special scarves and hats I think.
There might be some cultural reason for this?
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 15:04:54 +0200
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Paul
Paul@social.lightlyseared.online
@jwildeboer
This is the thing that I have noticed from living in the Netherlands and elsewhere. Dutch people tend to see bikes as just another transport option, whereas in other countries cycling is seen more as a sporting or leisure activity.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 15:07:49 +0200
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ben
sqrt2@chaos.social
@jwildeboer
As typical for Germany, this is highly regional. Bicycles are seen as completely normal means of transportation in the north of the country. If you put something on to get on a bike, it's of these special raincoats.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 15:39:18 +0200
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Aleksandra Fedorova :fedora:
bookwar@fosstodon.org
@jwildeboer
If I get a second bicycle someday, it is going to be one of those comfortable city bikes. But as I own only one now, I had to choose a more universal thing which fits both 500m to the supermarket scenario as well as for day trip for 60 km of the Ruhrtalweg.
But I did get two rear baskets for the comfortable shopping experience. And I don't change clothes to go shopping or to the office :)
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 15:43:38 +0200
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Hans van Zijst
hans@social.woefdram.nl
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Paul
Dutch people tend to see bikes as just another transport option
Absolutely. Much, much cheaper than a car, and hardly any problem parking it. And you don't get into trouble with the law if you drink a few beers and mount your bike
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 17:56:18 +0200
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Thomas
coastgnu@norden.social
@jwildeboer
@bergamlaimerin
This is typical south.
In the north it's "you are born with 'fiets unnern Mors" (born with bike under your back). The only sportive clothing is our Ostfriesennerz (a, mostly yellow, heavy rain coat)
OK, to be honnest, friesland reaches from the island of Terschelling along the German coastline up to the island Ameland in Denmark.
Holland is only a small province south of Friesland.
🙂😀😄😁😂
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 18:05:55 +0200
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silmaril
silmaril@chaos.social
@jwildeboer
Most people I know, who use bikes every day, only use rain and winter clothing apart from their usual outfit.
People in bike clothing typically either look like ones that are really doing this as sport, or like ones that don't use their bikes very often.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 19:27:12 +0200
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Stacey Campbell
stacey_campbell@aus.social
@jwildeboer
I have a theory there's a direct relationship between hilliness and weird looking sports gear for bicycle riding.
Osaka is flat as a pancake and there's a total absence of spandex.
Santa Cruz county in California is super hilly and it's spandex for everyone.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 19:34:42 +0200
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Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
Here’s a well-made explanation of the (not only) Dutch way of looking at bicycles like the one I have.
https://youtu.be/aESqrP3hfi8
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 19:49:12 +0200
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Miroslav Suchý
mirek@rodina-sucha.cz
@jwildeboer
25 km in the Netherlands or around Munchen means that serius uphill on the way is only a bridge. Here in Brno it means 300m up and down. That means sweat.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 20:16:41 +0200
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FoolishOwl
FoolishOwl@mastodon.sdf.org
@jwildeboer
This makes a lot of sense to me. When I was younger, I tried using a bicycle to get around UC Berkeley for a while. The hostile traffic system and steep hills were a major problem, but so was the technical complexity of my bicycle and associated equipment.
Switching gears was very difficult in particular, taking careful concentration, and practically impossible for me to do correctly while dealing with anyone else on the road.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 20:42:05 +0200
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Quantum Girl
kalikiana@mastodon.social
@jwildeboer
I used to ride in a low sitting position. Until a friend recommended I raise the saddle. So that's the one thing shown I don't get. I love to go fast wherever I go and that wouldn't be enjoyable if I was sitting low 🤔
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 21:18:38 +0200
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Berg Am Laimerin
bergamlaimerin@muenchen.social
@coastgnu
@jwildeboer
I don't think so, that it is typical south, I've seen "sporty" persons with "proper bike clothing" in all european countries, north and south.
Its more a mind set between "I am doing a SPORT with the PROPER EQUIPMENT" or "I am just using this bike since it is a nice way to travel, I do the sport just casually (or at least don't admit to do it with some intensity)". Everyday cyclists with normal clothing are many in Munich.
E.g:
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=fahrrad+demo+m%C3%BCnchen&iax=images&ia=images
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 21:22:48 +0200
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Berg Am Laimerin
bergamlaimerin@muenchen.social
@coastgnu
@jwildeboer
There are more helmets, thought. And some cyclists use signal coloured wests or such, in the hope they might be seen by the notoriously blind German car drivers.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 21:27:22 +0200
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Aleksandra Fedorova :fedora:
bookwar@fosstodon.org
@jwildeboer
Let's be honest though, you also are not very casual with your bike :)
I mean it is a city bike, yes, but you clearly spent some time on choosing it and relevant gear which fits your style. The bags look really cool btw.
So I'd say you are also geeky about it, just in a slightly different direction :)
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 21:56:49 +0200
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Aleksandra Fedorova :fedora:
bookwar@fosstodon.org
@jwildeboer
This is so awesome, and so Dutch :)
Bicycle bags as a family heirloom.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 22:01:23 +0200
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Aleksandra Fedorova :fedora:
bookwar@fosstodon.org
@jwildeboer
I remember how I visited Amsterdam once. And we got far away from a usual touristic routes and to some business area.
And then there was a huge business building - glass and metal skyscraper. And the bicycle parking lot in front of it - completely full with bicycles, hundreds of them. And _all_ those bicycles were black.
Only one single bright orange was popping in that crowd.
And we joked that it is either a janitor or a CEO of the company.
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 22:06:26 +0200
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Holger
schaueho@functional.cafe
@jwildeboer
@sqrt2
I disagree that this is a north vs. south thing. People in Freiburg (which is in the south for most folks) don't wear sportswear while cycling the city, unless they intend to do sport.
But Freiburg is a bicycle city, cycling is a normal daily activity not needing anything special (outside of a helmet maybe). And I guess that's the pattern I would expect: if cycling is normal in your region, you'll not see many people in colorful dresses.
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Mon, 08 Aug 2022 00:36:49 +0200
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Berg Am Laimerin
bergamlaimerin@muenchen.social
@jwildeboer
@coastgnu
I once nearly hit a mother with a pram - no light, no reflector, on a street without sidewalk where cars were allowed.
After that I invested in a really bright light for my bike.
(And the pram we had for our child was enhanced with reflectors and lights.)
A lot of dogs colors now have these LED lights, luckily.
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Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:53:08 +0200
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Bascht
bascht@social.yakshed.org
@jwildeboer
Less of an explanation, more if a lyrical interpretation:
https://taz.de/!437302/
:D
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