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Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:36:26 +0200
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Hans van Zijst
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Rumour has it that Mikhail Gorbachev has passed away.
https://nitter.unixfox.eu/HannaLiubakova/status/1564710871393337344
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Wed, 31 Aug 2022 01:06:38 +0200
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Hans van Zijst
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Yup, confirmed. And although he's reached the respectable age of 91, it makes me sad. He ended the Cold War, made the world so much friendlier and safer.
May you rest in peace, sir.
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Wed, 31 Aug 2022 01:49:43 +0200
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tivasyk@mastodon.social
@hans
he did nothing special; he just happened in the «right place» on the «right time»; the beginning of the end of the empire was ripe. please don't make him a kind of «prometheus».
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Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:00:42 +0200
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Hans van Zijst
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I think what he did was special: he guided the empire to a new situation, without violence, bloodshed and destruction. I agree that the Soviet Union's collapse was unavoidable at the time, but a dickhead like Stalin or Putin would have tried to keep things as they were, without any regard for human lives.
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Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:00:43 +0200
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Kenny Chaffin
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and Putin is trying to reverse history...
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Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:27:52 +0200
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tivasyk@mastodon.social
@hans
i agree to agree that gorbachov did good by exactly doing nothing =)
p.s. i lived that period in kyiv, ukraine. i know a bit what i'm talking about.
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Wed, 31 Aug 2022 19:41:35 +0200
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tivasyk@mastodon.social
@hans
i'll just remind of his sending troops in 1991 ― definitely not on his first day in power, ― to try and prevent baltic states from restoring their sovereignty.
everything good this personage did while in power, he was _forced_ to do by the circumstances. he was no visionary, no liberator ― just a man that had finally come to power only to find out that the power just slipped away.
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Wed, 31 Aug 2022 19:59:50 +0200
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@hans
while i agree it could've been way bloodier, gorbachev is surely overromanticized in the west. gasparov's take here is a bit more sobering.
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Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:33:52 +0200
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older
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@hans
Do you know about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy
?
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Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:37:29 +0200
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i know of it in general terms, and only because of more recent reading i did on soviet/russian wars and military crimes; i did not know the details.
once more ― gorbachev was in power at the time. so this ads to the point i'm trying to make, i guess.
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Thu, 01 Sep 2022 13:05:28 +0200
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Fri, 02 Sep 2022 21:09:34 +0200
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tivasyk@mastodon.social
#quote
| «Gorbachev’s lifelong dedication to the old Soviet bloc can be seen in his support for Moscow’s invasion and illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014, with his statements earning him a five-year ban from entering Ukraine».
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/31/mikhail-gorbachev-no-friend-west/
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